Friday, November 07, 2008

Community Via The Trinity

Please bear with me as I try to figure something out:

Most mainline churches have long considered the most important church event of the week to be Sunday morning worship. That's where "it happens." Most of the staff's energy has gone into this hour. Most of the church funds are directed towards this hour.

"Church growth experts" say that if you want a congregation to grow, you add another worship service that is different from the first. And so we did. But increasingly, our 6 PM worship is not where "it happens" for that group. Worship on Sunday evenings is not inconsequential, but there are other activities that mark that group as a community: Monday night burgers, Wednesday night small group, Friday night movies.

The problem is that this is foreign to most of those who worship on Sunday morning. For most of them, worship is the #1 activity (if they come to worship regularly in the first place.) For at least half of those worshippers - I'm sorry to say - that hour of worship is the one time they gather for any semblance of community. And it's very easy to leave without having experienced even a "Hi, how are you?" much less a deep sense of community.

Yes there are those who gather for occasional small groups or Circle meetings or mission projects. Some spend time caring for each other during the week. But many (most?) of those who gather at 11am on Sunday don't see each other any other time during the week.

It's not easy being a community if this is how people do church.

Another problem: the 11:00 congregation is a little squeamish about conflict. They've heard about other churches who started a second, very different worship service only to experience division. And we are allergic to this kind of conflict so we try to avoid it at all costs - even the cost of making disciples, I fear.

As I've written several times that I'm essentially the pastor of two churches, but this is becoming less and less the case. The evening worship service is filled with people so hungry for spiritual nourishment that they are learning to feed themselves, like older children who are determined to cook their own dinner. They have taken all my Matthew commentaries and found their own for the Wed. night small group, believing that they too can do exegesis. Imagine that.

I'm working myself out of a job with that group and it's a good thing.

The morning worship crowd seems to want me to be the only leader, hanging on to the old model in which the seminary educated clergy is the only one who can do a Hebrew word study. But the problem is that we rarely seem to venture past the basics, especially if those who are well versed in the basics don't seem interested in digging deeper. They are busy with work and families - too busy to delve into a semi-heavy theological book. Too busy to sit and ponder, say, The Trinity.

It's not that the young adults of the evening service are not busy. It's just that most of them see each other as family. They have formed a little church within a church, a la Rahner.*

So here's where my pondering is going:

I'm hearing some interesting ideas from Ian Mobsby, one of the founders and priests of Moot in London who has written The Becoming of G-d: What the Trinitarian nature of God has to do with Church and a Deep Spirituality for the Twenty First Century. Mobsby argues that our community at it's best models the Trinity. That mystic sweet communion that most of us don't understand. God is Three in One. We are separate but we are one.

I'm letting this sit with me a bit. But even my cursory reflections make me realize that we have missed out on something awesome and glorious in the traditional Western church.

How many of you have found anything close to this profound community that - in any way - mimics the mysterious union of the Trinity?

Too heady for a Friday? Nevertheless, I'd love to hear how you experience community in your congregations.
*Karl Rahner, the Roman Catholic theologian, believes that every household is a little church, doing what churches do: studying together, praying together, serving together.

17 comments:

Magdalene6127 said...

in two places... worship and our Monday afternoon bible study.

the study is made up of 10-16 people. We are walking (slowly) through Genesis. I do a lot of Hebrew word studies with them, in fact. But the model is very much... I'm the expert.

Our most powerful experience of worship is something I posted about here http://magdalenesmusings.blogspot.com/2008/06/before-it-slips-away-memories-of-youth.html.
(June 3 2008). It was a Youth Sunday celebration of communion in which the story was told by our young people, and the older people (including me) got to hear it through their words. It still resonates with me.

Listing Straight said...

Thank you for your writings. Thank you.

Coffeepastor said...

I've been meeting with the local emergent cohort for months now...a group of 10-15 people who gather at Friday's for drinks and appetizers on a Friday night once a month. I look forward to this more than a lot of my own planned church events. For me it's increasingly becoming the gathering where "it" happens. I've even half-jokingly referred to it as "my other church."

Quotidian Grace said...

I experience community in the Bible study our church offers to the community. This is an entirely layperson led effort.

All the small group leaders are members of the church, but the group members come from all denominations. I have a couple of Catholics and a member of Lakewood church in the small group that I lead.

The "teaching leader" is a laywoman who does an amazing job. This started more than 20 years ago and now has several hundred men and women involved.

This experience has led me to agree with your observation that we put too much emphasis on attendance at Sunday worship in trying to assess the effectiveness of the church's witness and disciple-making.

Beloved Spear said...

Great post as always, Jan!

I'd be interested in hearing more about the "it" that is happening over movies and burgers. In particular, what are the ways in which that "it" is something that is discernably different from a secular community gathering or a circle of dear friends?

I'm sure that it is...but I guess I'd just like to hear how the sense of the holy presence of the living God has played out across those moments.

Beloved Spear said...

Oh..faddle...forgot to pitch out this:

I'm going to assume that the underlying theology behind this post is that of perichoretic union, that "holy dance" of being between the persons of the Trinity.

As you conceptualize this being modeled in our communities, are you: 1) envisioning communities that view that perichoresis as a model upon which to base our own interactions or 2) envisioning communities that view themselves as being swept up in the Trinitarian dance itself through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit?

Or perhaps some combination of the both?

jledmiston said...

Okay - Beloved Spear - I'm very impressed with your throwing out the perichoresis comments.

Actually, I'm just getting into this Mobsby book, so I can't tell you much about this - most particularly what I'm trying to do or not do in terms of helping create community with the Trinity in mind.

But - to answer the "it" question - my colleague and his own faith on display is perhaps the #1 reason why "it" happens even over burgers and movies. He sees everything through a theological lens and can turn any moment into a theological teaching moment. And as in QG's experience, he is not seminary trained nor a Presbyterian.

In the course of theological reflection - which is extremely low key - M. shows affection and acceptance and compassion for all kinds of people whom he knows and doesn't know well.

Yesterday, I got a call from one of these people who attends Burger Night (but never worship) who wanted to talk about some personal things with "a pastor." M. was out of town and so I was available. She clearly sees her life in a new way that has come from being in community with Holy Grounds. Cool.

Beach Walkin said...

The "it" that I think you are describing is what I am desperately seeking to be a part of. It is my deepest desire to be a pastor of a group of people who do want to do things for themselves... and do not see me as the center... because the last time I checked... God is center.

I want to be a part of a church where people... no matter what their gifts... can find a place and know that they belong... and that they are needed... not only by the community... but to be the hands and feet of God for the world.

Matt Pritchard said...

I would say that we, as the Holy Grounds community, tend to practice what one of my friends who is on staff with InterVarsity describes as "tumbler discipleship."

She directed me to an article by Rich Lamb describing this process which you all might find helpful: http://www.intervarsity.org/mx/item/4715/

I don't agree with every piece of the article at all, but it is a great primer for what we do.

flaye said...

Great post!!
Two thoughts:
I learned a long time ago that most congregations reflect more strongly one person of the Trinity than the other two....and the "dance" may be real, but lopsided. I have tried to work on that which has made some grateful, and driven others quite crazy...

Secondly...I have been chewing on the idea for quite some time of filling a church building with varieties of communities who may live out their lives differently. Initially, the thought was that they would be communities that grow out of different worship styles but I can see them growing into communities who live out their "center" in so many ways beyond the worship service. To me, what you present in your evening NEW worshipping community reflects what i understand the early church to be--something that i want to reach for, pray for, and be a part of re-growing!
Trying to wonder what a Session meeting would look like in that context.... (-:

jledmiston said...

flaye - awesome idea. I would love to hear more about your thoughts. I'll email you.

Ian said...

Great discussion, and I hope you don't mind me adding my thoughts as the author.

The key thing for me is how God makes Godself present - we think of communion in worship and what some would call other sacramental moments. But I think we are saying that the Trinity encourages us to seek the sacred in the secular as Jesus did, breaking down binaries. So when people are gathered together seeking community over a burger or in fact a beer at the local bar, they to can become sacramental moments - where God can be made present in ordinary gatherings of people in the ordinary. I think this is why Jesus spent most of his life munching through the New Testament and why most of it was in the very non-sacred secular side of culture.
This is an exciting journey, where Church can become very removed from where Christ would go...

Thanks for the conversation, it has inspired this author!!

Ian Mobsby

jledmiston said...

Ian - I'm honored.

1-4 Grace said...

I have not had good experiences with 2nd service (unless you are simply coming out at seams).
I have foudn similar issues with folks meeting more informally.
If someone goes to one serivce, they tend to feel a sense of betrayl for th other.
Our best community occurs in combied efforts of help/minnistry/outreach groups.
a lovley group went this evening to feed a group of hungry college aged students.
The ages were mixed as were the backgroudns. They simply got together to accomplish a project.
To me this is as good as attendign a worship service together(tho it does not repalce worship)

heatherly said...

I stumbled on your site as I wandered through the Web in search of churches. Feeling quite "homesick" for the people/spirit/community we left behind, I feel compelled to comment.

The dance of the Trinity is perhaps indeed mirrored in our dance of community - relationship between one person and another and God in the middle. Traditional church often fails because we keep that relationship in the box of Sunday morning or whatever time we meet and in the place we meet--the context of the church building, pews, atmosphere.

Instead, what if we ignore the walls of the building and live this God-focused community as much as we can every day? It takes effort - as any relationship does if it is to survive - and sacrifice.

It is possible to blend these communities you have, to overlap them, to encourage crossing the lines often. We are grieving and missing a church that is experimenting much in this - traditional service, contemporary service, intimate cohorts and house churches. Inter-generational. Inter-mingling. It can happen, but it won't "just happen", I think. It requires purposeful intent, thoughtful prayer and a willingness to step out of comfort zones.

I enjoyed your post and will read through more. Thank you...

Liz said...

A favorite book of mine is "The 3 Colors of Ministry" by Christian Schwarz (Natural Church Development). I read it as part of a class at church on identifying and developing spiritual gifts and found it fascinating. It calls itself a "trinitarian approach" to spiritual gifts. It was the most enlightening study/seeking of my spiritual gifts that I have ever experienced.

That may be way off topic for this posting, but it popped in my mind as I read your original posting Jan, as well as some of the responses.

As a church member and lay leader, I experience Christ-centered community in the 8th grade class I teach on Sunday mornings, the LOGOS ministry I participate in on Wednesday nights, and in a lunch time Bible study led by another church member. However, worship seems to be what connects, supports, and feeds them all.

Kelly said...

Two places: wed. morning bible study that includes women from many different denominations, including Catholic, that meets at my Presbyterian church. Living and growing and figuring it out together, while we seek God's word.

Second place, at the Lamb Center, a homeless shelter in Fairfax County where I participate in a bible study with the guests once or twice a week. People struggling on a whole different level, finding courage and hope in God's word and encouragement from one another.

At the center of both, God's word and unconditional love and acceptance of one another as we journey together. Community!